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一个政治不正确的看法:关于奥巴马
作者:wonderment
发表时间:2008-10-09
更新时间:2008-10-11
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地址:10.0.
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首先,我不明白我昨天晚上放在美国新闻版的这个帖子,为什么今天早晨就被删除。是删水吗 ?不象,许多无聊的放的时间长的帖子都在。请问,这个版的版规在什么地方 ?难道这里的版主有不按版规,而按自己好恶删帖的权力 ?一个论坛只有一种观点好看 ?大家请看此版版规第 6 条, 就知道这个美国新闻版的怪现象哪里出来的了。--------“6. 版务的政治派别-----版务们都是支持希拉里的,版务个人在讨论政治问题时的发言和本版制版方针无关。这丝毫不影响你在这里支持你想支持的政治派别和理想。不过,请多讨论政治,以及国计民生的话题,少讨论所谓的“粉丝”。

好,现在让我把我被此美国新闻版多次删除的看法再贴一遍。
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一个政治不正确的看法:关于奥巴马

许多美国人,包括这个版上的美国人和中国人,都把奥巴马和穆斯林极端组织的联系作为攻击他的‘有力武器‘。我承认,在美国现在的形势下,这样的指责确实很管用。除了少数有头脑的人,许多美国只知道穆斯林肯定会攻击美国人,和穆斯林有瓜葛就是恐怖分子。

我的观点当然和大多数美国人的不一样。我认为如果奥巴马真的和某些穆斯林极端组织有联系,甚至有些同情和理解,只要他本人不支持恐怖分子,那么他作为美国的领导人就可能比 McCain 或者布什这样的,更有可能减少美国受恐怖袭击的概率。

作为合理的判断,奥巴马本人不会是恐怖分子的内奸或者代理人。这样他的角色就成为离恐怖分子近,了解恐怖分子阵营,又比别的候选人更容易被恐怖分子的背景群众接受。这种角色如同马英九之于中国大陆政府,虽然马英九仍然反共,仍然不会急于统一,但是他的亲大陆倾向,使得台海局势的紧张瞬时缓解; 有人说了,奥巴马上台一样拜以色列,一样和原教旨主义作对,一样会眼馋中东石油。不错,这个是肯定的,但是他的亲以色列,他的这些立场,都会和布什政府很不一样。

我们作为旁观的中国人,其实很清楚,美国和所谓伊斯兰恐怖分子,如拉登等人的争斗,双方都有罪恶,都不清白,如果冤冤相报,将永无宁日。这个时候,最需要有对双方的利益,文化,立场都有理解的领导人,才有可能取得和平的进展。虽然不敢说奥巴马就是这样的人,但是他至少比其他人更有机会。

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2     by brihand  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 21:00:49 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: brihand (brihand), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:29:51 2008)

One side, Obama talks about economics by blaming bush
for everything. The other side, mccain talks about obama\'s character.
People might think that at least Obama feels their pain, though
he offers no solution.
That is why I think Mccain should attack obama\'s economic
plan.
【 在 KuQ (依然很穷~但不哭穷了) 的大作中提到: 】
: mccain应该拿出让人信服的方案
: 不过这个选举,选民真正去看issue的有多少?
: 这不是说随便写点东西,拿出来就是万灵药
: 现在谁也没有好方案
 
3     by yourtt  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 21:00:23 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: yourtt (rainmaker), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:28:19 2008)

because it is garbage.


【 在 wonderment (wonder) 的大作中提到: 】
: 题目上是我的个人观点。我放在这里就是想听听更多的意见,包括批评我观点的意见,
: 如果大家说的对,我说的不对,那么我也可能改变自己的看法,我本人不是奥巴马死忠
: ,也没有什么要必须维护的。
: 但是为什么我的这篇文章每次贴出来都要在 10 个小时内被删除。害怕什么呢 ?
: than
: damn
: just
 
4     by MyLina  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 20:59:48 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: MyLina (MyLina), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:27:14 2008)

Like playing card, you need to find right partner to enjoy the process. No
need to waste your time here, not worth it.


【 在 wonderment (wonder) 的大作中提到: 】
: 题目上是我的个人观点。我放在这里就是想听听更多的意见,包括批评我观点的意见,
: 如果大家说的对,我说的不对,那么我也可能改变自己的看法,我本人不是奥巴马死忠
: ,也没有什么要必须维护的。
: 但是为什么我的这篇文章每次贴出来都要在 10 个小时内被删除。害怕什么呢 ?
: than
: damn
: just
 
5     by brihand  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 20:59:04 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: brihand (brihand), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:26:53 2008)

But his character attack distracts people\'s attention.
During the debate, Mccain did well when he mentioned
2005 energy bill which he voted against and Obama voted
for. This showed that Mccain distant himself from Bush
and obama supported bush\'s policy. He should keep bringing
this up.
【 在 KuQ (依然很穷~但不哭穷了) 的大作中提到: 】
: it\'s all about strategy
: he\'s attacking obama\'s plan
: but people are under impression that GOP fucked up, dem will do better
: on economy. well, that\'s why obama get more support now
: so simply focus on talking economy won\'t work
: some people care, especialy conservative people, motivating them to vote
is
: also important
 
6     by KuQ  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 20:58:15 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: KuQ (依然很穷~但不哭穷了), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:24:08 2008), 转信

mccain应该拿出让人信服的方案
不过这个选举,选民真正去看issue的有多少?

这不是说随便写点东西,拿出来就是万灵药

现在谁也没有好方案
【 在 wonderment (wonder) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这个观点我很同意。经济还是基础。无论哪一边想赢,能拿出至少表面很有说服力的走
: 出低谷的方案是正解。有人指出 McCain 某些政策更合适,但是他和他的团队显然没有
: 在说服选民方面做出好的工作来。
 
7     by KuQ  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 20:57:46 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: KuQ (依然很穷~但不哭穷了), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:22:06 2008), 转信

it\'s all about strategy
he\'s attacking obama\'s plan

but people are under impression that GOP fucked up, dem will do better
on economy. well, that\'s why obama get more support now

so simply focus on talking economy won\'t work

some people care, especialy conservative people, motivating them to vote is
also important

【 在 brihand (brihand) 的大作中提到: 】
: now people don\'t care about this. It is all about economics. Mccain
: keeps attacking obama\'s character, and this just shows that
: he is out of touch with ordinary people. Mccain should attack
: obama\'s economic plan.
 
8     by wonderment  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 20:57:13 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: wonderment (wonder), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:19:26 2008)


这个不是我的性格。我的眼睛里揉不进沙子。

我谁支持谁,大家都是对选举感兴趣,一起讨论,在一个版面上,把另一派的观点另眼
看待,这样的人不适合讨论美国的民主选举。


【 在 MyLina (MyLina) 的大作中提到: 】
: As an advice, no need to post on this board. Let these people dance here,
: and they can continue after Nov Election, if they wish...
 
9     by brihand  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 20:56:40 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: brihand (brihand), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:17:03 2008)

now people don\'t care about this. It is all about economics. Mccain
keeps attacking obama\'s character, and this just shows that
he is out of touch with ordinary people. Mccain should attack
obama\'s economic plan.
【 在 KuQ (依然很穷~但不哭穷了) 的大作中提到: 】
: \'god damn american\' and good friends with terrorist
: now he want to lead american
: american people voting for him? not so good.
: than
: damn
: just
 
10     by wonderment  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 20:56:08 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: wonderment (wonder), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:16:52 2008)


题目上是我的个人观点。我放在这里就是想听听更多的意见,包括批评我观点的意见,
如果大家说的对,我说的不对,那么我也可能改变自己的看法,我本人不是奥巴马死忠
,也没有什么要必须维护的。

但是为什么我的这篇文章每次贴出来都要在 10 个小时内被删除。害怕什么呢 ?
 
11     by MyLina  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 20:55:39 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: MyLina (MyLina), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:16:20 2008)

As an advice, no need to post on this board. Let these people dance here,
and they can continue after Nov Election, if they wish...
 
12     by KuQ  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 20:54:56 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: KuQ (依然很穷~但不哭穷了), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:13:14 2008), 转信

\'god damn american\' and good friends with terrorist
now he want to lead american

american people voting for him? not so good.
 
13      by yourtt  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 20:53:57 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]
发信人: yourtt (rainmaker), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 说个政治不正确的观点 (要删帖请告诉我根据什么版规)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 10 20:10:24 2008)

what the hell.

his personal relationship with home grown terrorist bill ayers for more than
15 years
and Sitting in the church, where black theology extremists chanting God damn
america for 20 years.

Anything more do you ask for. It is not that there is no clue, but you just
simply dont want to see.
 
14     有人咬定奥巴马就是恐怖分子  [wonderment 于 2008-10-10 20:33:50 提到] [FROM: 10.0.]

你认为奥巴马就是恐怖分子吗 ?yes or no ?

我的判断是他不会是,因为恐怖分子是一类极端分子,奥巴马显示出的思维方式和他本人的教育背景,不应该是这样的极端,而且我前面说过,对于和美国争斗的穆斯林,中国人里大多数都有同情,这才有 911 一片叫好,那么中国人就都是恐怖分子 ?

无论奥巴马和哪一个恐怖分子个人关系多好,他本人都不可能是一个‘恐怖分子‘,对于美国的恐怖分子就是要去杀死美国平民达到政治目的的人,过去的阿拉法特就是这样的‘恐怖分子‘,奥巴马当上了美国总统,他就是再支持宾拉登,也不能再去杀害美国平民,因为他作为总统有更好的手段改变美国的中东政策,如果他确实同情宾拉登这些人的话,所以无论如何,他也不会再是‘恐怖分子‘。美国人有什么好怕的,这样不实反而和平安全了?

其实许多穆斯林都同情宾拉登,尽管很多人也许不支持搞恐怖,这个就是事实。奥巴马顶多就和这些穆斯林一样的心态,这个就对美国有利而不是有害。


【 在 yourtt (rainmaker) 的大作中提到: 】
: what the hell.
: his personal relationship with home grown terrorist bill ayers for more than
: 15 years
: and Sitting in the church, where black theology extremists chanting God damn
: america for 20 years.
: Anything more do you ask for. It is not that there is no clue, but you just
: simply dont want to see.
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